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Nvidia X.org question - Cloned displays
by Sean Crago 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

This may seem a little odd, but it beats reading & feeding the trolls: My Nvidia card's S-Video out jack is limited to 1024x768. It has two DVI-I DualLink (NOT the dual monitor DVI standard) jacks besides. The chances that HDMI will work at 1080* are next to nill, IMHO, given the HDCP requirements and the fact that I'm asking this here and not in some Windows group. Still, though, it may work alright at a lower resolution. My current config is as follows: Video card - LEADTEK PX8600GT 256MB w/the following lspci output: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) DISPLAY=:0.0: Samsung 225BW w/DVI connector running at its native 1680x1050 resolution (16:10) DISPLAY=:0.1: Crappy little Acer AL1917W running at its native 1440x900 (16:9) - Lacks a DVI port, so it's connected via a DVI-->VGA adapter DISPLAY=:0.2: Hitachi 42PD9500TA 42 Multi-System HDTV Plasma TV connected via an S-Video port & a 1/8in audio-->RCA audio jack Note that the Hitachi HDTV lacks a VGA port (le sigh) but does have two HDMI ports and multiple S-Video and composite out jacks. The Hitachi will plainly support 720* resolutions, which are pretty much the same as the native res of the Acer monitor. Running over the S-Video jack, however, there's no way to feed it anything other than 1024x768. This means that if I play a DVD or whatever through this jack I've always got to have every media player I use explicitly set to re-jigger the 16:9 content into whatever the ratio is to get it to render as 16:9 at a 4:3 resolution. No massive quality loss/the quality is still quite good, but it seems like there must be a cleaner way to set this up, all the same: The monitor is effectively useless as a third monitor, due to its distance from my primary and secondary displays. It would be much, much better if I had a nice, neat projector-room style setup where the Acer and the Hitachi show the same stuff, without having to give up the other monitor. I'm perfectly willing to give up sound, which I'd have to if I used a DVI-->HDMI adapter, as the HDMI adapters don't have RCA audio-in jacks. My TV requires that you use HDMI as the sound input on the HDMI video input sources, but I've got a decent stereo I can jack into, too. No big loss. Is there anything I can do to make this setup work in such a way that the smaller Acer display is a cloned image of the TV's screen without having to run completely different X sessions? If not, is there a way to do it without that caveat? Any suggestions? Thanks, Sean Crago Kathmandu PS: I'm hesitant to replace the relatively new 8600-series video card at the moment/without a local buyer, but I'm perfectly willing to buy DVI-->HDMI adapters or whatever if I thought they'd work. I've shopped around for a DVI---->DVI&VGA splitter, but it seems like the only ones on the market will drive one or the other, but not both simultaneously. The VGA compatibility pins in DVI are apparently disabled, at least in most cases, when the DVI pins are in use, again, from what I've read - Haven't plunked down money to try to disprove that, but it seems like a silly waste if I can't find evidence that someone's gotten it working somehow. PSS: I can get mail/UPS/whatever forwarded here, so unless you're proposing a >70lbs solution or one bigger than a small coffee-table, it's not a problem to order it.

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Conversion to Linux
by Haworth, Michael A. 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

OK, now the real reason for joining KCLUG - I am looking for information and wisdom. The company that I work for is contemplating a major shift from Microsoft to Linux within the next year or so. I am pretty much the only Linux-savvy guy here, and that isn't saying much. I have messed around with Ubuntu, Linspire, and a few other distros, and Ubuntu is wowing the executives right now with its ability to access windows shares, etc. - they want me to draw up a rough plan of what it would take to switch to linux in a gradual way. I am looking for some help and guidance, please no flame wars... Michael Haworth

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Re: Re: DRM and the PRO-IP Act - Limited time opportunity?
by jdpruente＠gmail.com 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

On Oct 26, 2008 2:21am, Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Jon Pruente wrote: > > the store. I don't think Apple/Audible/others > > are particularly to blame, so much as the recording > > labels. > > So "Apple" isn't to blame for *allowing* razorblade-spiked Halloween apples among their other Halloween apples because "Apple" didn't put the razorblades in the spiked Halloween apples? > > iTunes is an enabler of DRM, if nothing else, and the complaints about iTunes are thus valid and should be there, if for no other reason but to poison DRM in the minds of Apple execs. Whether or not the label chooses to put the DRM content into iTunes or not, its still up to Apple whether to *sell* the DRM content or not. Human free will is an enabler of sin. Does that mean we fall into the Devil's suggestion that we remove free will and make mankind do exactly as God pleases, just so people won't be evil and sin? (Oh no! Religious flame war in 3... 2... 1...) The throttle on basically every car made has the capability to exceed posted speed limits, thus "enables" speeding and breaking the law, and even DANGEROUS DRIVING! Should we install speed governors in every car so that they cannot exceed the maximum speed of the road they are on to prevent people from driving illegally and recklessly? We can put stupid and exaggerated claims up to compare DRM to and to the layman it sounds like the raving of a nut. So, that's the problem with your argument; DRM and razors? I didn't say Apple wasn't to blame, I said they weren't particularly to blame. With iTunes Apple seems to favor non-DRM, as they make it fairly easy to remove it from DMR-encrusted files, and the non-DRM files they offer are of higher quality, thus anyone who chooses(!!! OMG FREE WILL!!! NONONONONONONO!) to buy the non-DRM content from them already gets a better product. Businesses sell what sells. If the non-DRM content outsells the DRM content it's not long before a wise business person will make the switch. It's just making that first step to put the non-DRM content up. It's painfully obvious that Apple makes buying the non-DRM content a better quality product than the DRM-enabled stuff. Apple also provides a method to convert content away from DRM-encrusted if a non-DRM version is made available, albeit at a nominal fee. I'm not getting into a DRM flame war here. I don't like DRM, but I also don't like wildly exaggerated hyperbole when stating the plain facts do just fine. Jon.

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US online apeal for RoboCops
by Julie 26 Oct '08

26 Oct '08

In case someone is interested in a great opportunity, read this: http://www.dodsbir.net/SITIS/display_topic.asp?Bookmark=34565 I'm no longer subscribed to the "News Letter", so I won't get any possible responses through that avenue. No need to e-mail me, either.

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DRM and the PRO-IP Act - Limited time opportunity? Shameless self-promotion?
by Sean Crago 26 Oct '08

26 Oct '08

When I left KC to serve in Kathmandu I lost my address near Gladstone. As such, I reverted to the congressional district where I grew up in Illinois. You guys probably cover four or five districts in MO and KS, though, so I figured I'd drop you a link to the open letter I just hammered out to mine. If Yahoo, MSN, WalMart, et al are going to pull the plug on their DRM servers right before the passage of the (still far from perfect) PRO-IP act, why not use the opportunity to get ammendments passed that allow consumers to bypass the DRM? If it's getting railroaded through anyway, let's turn it to good: The DMCA trust should go both ways, if it's to be retained at all: Consumers shouldn't get their shit turned off if they respect the DMCA's provision preventing them from unlocking their files. http://mrzaius.com/blog/?p=108 Sean Crago Kathmandu

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Re: Anyone experienced with Twiki or other wikis?
by Sean Crago 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Just to throw one more out there: DokuWiki has a lot to be said for it. I'll probably exclusively use MediaWiki in the future, due to my much deeper understanding of the syntax and ability to grab GFDL'd template code and the like from the Wikipedia. In the past, though, I always used DokuWiki for my own sites. It is extremely nice and easy to roll out and, while still full-featured and quite attractive, it has the some of the lowest overhead of any of the mainstream wiki engines. It's plenty small enough to run in an embedded environment, too. Sean Crago Kathmandu

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Anyone experienced with Twiki or other wikis?
by Greg Brooks 23 Oct '08

23 Oct '08

All, I need to get a wiki set up with multiple workspaces and some other bells and whistles. My problem: I don't have time to do it. Time to spec it out? Yes. Time to do it? Notsomuch. Is there anyone on-list who's set up or admin'd a good-size wiki before and is looking for freelance work? I'd rather just farm this out and have someone smarter than me focus on it. At this point, I'm leaning toward Twiki - basically trading off speed for the fit, finish and feature set of Twiki. However, I'm willing to listen to arguments about other platforms (Free Software or commercial). Please contact me directly at gregb(a)west-third.com unless, you know, you want to have a public discussion about the pros and cons of various wiki platforms. :) Thanks, Greg

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Recommends for "just a browser" live distros- either existing ones or comments on making one.
by Oren Beck 22 Oct '08

22 Oct '08

As a result of past discussions on using free to cheap hardware for Linux some folks are sharing ideas. One of my campers here suggested I "bribe" programmers to improve his kiosk Linux experience! That evening produced about 10 pages of scribbled notes on must do and cannot EVER do events. Then a near equal amount of "would be so cool" functionalities. The upshot is we soon grasped a fundamental common element. A web browser was 100% of the user interaction with whatever that user was doing! So? Nothing earth shaking in that. The recurrent theme/s in comparing all 3 lists? must do FOO- never can let BAR happen - would be neat if it could? ALL centered on insulating a user from preventable frustration . The user sits down and accesses the web. NO tech skill needed. - For the duration of their session every step builds a "Go Back" button buffer. Saving and printing in some mode akin to assisted repartitioning tools. The information above was harvested from comments made by campers and staff over the last year or so that the kiosk has been up. Let me fill in the background if anyone on list missed it. I have been using both Puppy and Damn Small for a public guest kiosk here at the campground. Subject to minor annoyances it's been an overall success. The question to me is what other options exist for this niche? Or is there potential in craft building such a distro? I would consider trading camping and fishing as incentives. Basically I think our membership has the collective skills to make several sorts of world improvements. Or just to share ideas in a different sort of meeting space The idea being? To get a group session out here sometime next spring where we'd compare the winter's projects.

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Re: Free, Linux-compatible Dialup Internet Service Providers
by Sean Crago 19 Oct '08

19 Oct '08

NetZero might not be the most Linux-friendly ISP out there but, back in the day, if you called and asked for regular PPP credentials they'd give 'em to you. I did this twice for Windows users that had machines that were so antiquated and underpowered that they struggled to simultaneously run the adware and a proper IE session. Tested the credentials w/Linux's pppd, and they worked just fine. The only thing that might prevent this from working in your case is that they were both paying customers and the fact that all this was 2-3 years ago. Also, be prepared to lie and not tell them that you're using a *gasp* unsupported operating system - Obviously a $0-$10/month dialup ISP isn't going to be getting the cream of the tech support worker crop, so far as their ability work with multiple OSes goes. Worth a shot, if you can't find anything else local. Sean Crago Kathmandu

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Free, Linux-compatible Dialup Internet Service Providers
by Leo Mauler 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

I was asked this question on another list. After a little poking around, I was surprised to learn that there were a few still in existence, albeit with some restrictions. I'm going to pass on the information so that you can tell someone who needs dialup Internet access (such as on that older computer running Linux that you just gave them for free) but can't afford a monthly subscription service. NOTE: There is one more ISP, JUNO/NETZERO, which offers 10 hours a month of Internet service for free, and has lots of local numbers nationwide, but they make you look at lots of ads and have a Windows-only client (and most people report that they add up your time so sneakily you rarely get 10 hours a month). All of the options below are Linux-friendly free dialup ISPs. > If you live in Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, > New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island or Southern > Florida, *OR* if you have unlimited long-distance > service on your phone line, there is a regional ISP > which offers free local dialup service (and thus > free dialup service outside their region if your > long-distance is unlimited). > > http://www.freedialup.org/site/ > > You register on their website to find out their list > of phone numbers, then dial into a server phone > number. The username is "your phone number", the > password can be anything at all (please pick a > non-offensive word). > > The service has two limitations: the ports for SMTP > (outgoing E-mail) and NNTP (usenet newsgroups) have > been blocked, so you will not be able to do either > one, even with a third-party service. All other > services, including POP3, are available. It is > suggested that you use web-based E-mail to do E-mail > with their service. > > ======================== > > The Western Washington State region, including Seattle, > has its own free dialup ISP, and like the East Coast > free dialup ISP they don't mind if you call > long-distance (with your unlimited long-distance > service) to use their ISP: > > http://www.nocharge.com/connect.htm > > Like the East Coast free dialup ISP, the SMTP (outgoing > E-mail) port is blocked on their service, but otherwise > the Internet service is unfiltered. You can use their > Windows Dialer or your own dialup connection software > (thus this one is also good for Macintosh and Linux > users). The username and password are right there on > the page, and you don't even have to register on their > website to use their free dialup ISP. > > ======================== > > If the problem is that you only use the Internet > occasionally and can't afford a monthly plan, but > might occasionally want to be able to use more than > 10 hours of Internet in a single month, "Budget > Dialup" is a company which offers prepaid Internet > service. On a Windows system, you can use their > software and get the first five hours free, but you > don't have to use their software to connect to their > dialup servers, meaning you can use other operating > systems like Mac OS or Linux. > > You buy a package of time, and then have a year in > which to use it. The current plans, for calling a > number local to you, are 10 hours for $5.95, 20 > hours for $9.95, and 60 hours for $28.95. If you > don't do a lot of downloading, 20 hours will last > you for a month or two of browsing and E-mail. > Buying additional time will give you one more year > to use both the new time and any old time from > previous purchases. > > http://www.budgetdialup.com/

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