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Re: Old Hardware
by Richard A. Franklin 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

Brian Kelsay wrote: > Glad you like it and maybe found a keeper. I just installed the > newest stable version of Mepis (2004.06) on a desktop system so I > could stop running from CD. I also plan to test the latest test > release on the same PC and compare. It's worked well for me. Some > things can be difficult installing due to the apt-pinning, but you can > get help from other Debian users and on the Mepis forums and IRC. > > When you used apt-get to install IceWM, did it get added as an option > to the login screen? There is some nice automation in Debian systems > like apps being auto added to the K menu in KDE after an apt-get. I > don't have to restart for a rescan of apps or anything, they just appear. > > Save your LiveCD of Mepis in case you fubar your X config or GRUB. > > Brian Kelsay > IceWM was automatically added to the menu in the login screen ... I think I got the older IceWM, and would like to try the experimental over the weekend ... it might be a bit less "gritty" ;-) I did add all suggested packages for IceWM from the pre-install list while having my "apt-fest" last night. Mepis is a nicely polished distro, deserving of some kind of contribution. It may very soon end up on my more serious home office desktop, even though SuSE has been a good choice. For the road, do you have any experience with Mepis for re-sizing NTFS partitions for a dual-boot? Or maybe I should just leave my poor old laptop alone ... it is working fine right now! Rick

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Re: Old Hardware
by Brian Kelsay 05 Feb '05

05 Feb '05

Glad you like it and maybe found a keeper. I just installed the newest stable version of Mepis (2004.06) on a desktop system so I could stop running from CD. I also plan to test the latest test release on the same PC and compare. It's worked well for me. Some things can be difficult installing due to the apt-pinning, but you can get help from other Debian users and on the Mepis forums and IRC. When you used apt-get to install IceWM, did it get added as an option to the login screen? There is some nice automation in Debian systems like apps being auto added to the K menu in KDE after an apt-get. I don't have to restart for a rescan of apps or anything, they just appear. Save your LiveCD of Mepis in case you fubar your X config or GRUB. Brian Kelsay >>> "Richard A. Franklin" <> 02/04/05 11:07AM >>> Brian Kelsay wrote: >As always, it depends on how fast you want it and what you want to do >w/ it. I continue to stand behind Mepis (SimplyMepis) for a general >desktop distro that you can try out as a LiveCD first. Under the hood it is >Debian, so adding software and updating will be fast and easy. It will >work fine in 128MB of Ram. If you want it to be a server too, you can >apt-get what you specifically need or go ProMepis when it comes out. I >use Libranet on my server which is also Debian based. > > Following your suggestion, I installed Mepis, followed by apt-get update and upgrade. I may now be a Mepis "convert". I have used IceWM with VectorLinux, so I used apt-get to install all related packages. Also, "apt-get install streamtuner" (!) Like you say, "fast and easy". IceWM is much faster than KDE, but clunkier ... certainly much less polished, but I suppose that's the trade-off if I don't want the bloat. Rick

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Open Source Values
by Jim Herrmann 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

I've been reading George Lakoff, and doing a lot of thinking about values, lately. My own values as well as those of others. I know what it is about open source software that appeals to my values. You can look at the list in my sig and get an idea of the values I'm talking about, and you can imagine how OSS fits into them, but I don't want to bias the discussion too much beforehand with my opinions. I will offer those up later. What I would like to know from some of you guys is, which of your values are best served by OSS? Please let me know either directly in confidence, or publicly to the list, where you consider yourself on the conservative/moderate/progressive political spectrum, and what it is about OSS that appeals to you. I'm especially anxious to hear from my LUG friends on the right of the spectrum, as that is more difficult for me to understand. Once I've heard several opinions, I plan to formulate some kind of summary explanation, or theory, that connects different values and the open source movement. Thanks for your input, Jim Herrmann -- Progressive Values ARE American Values Responsibility, Empathy, Freedom, Opportunity, Prosperity, Fairness, Trust, Honesty, Open Communication, Community, Cooperation

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Phpnuke question
by kurt＠verruckt.org 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

I am installing phpnuke on a site that I am working on, and having trouble configuring the config.php file. For the dbhost should I just be putting the IP address of the server itself? Or IP/~username ? I have tried both the dbname as "dbname_nuke", and just "dbname". And the same formats for the username. No matter how I try it, I continually get an error that it cannot connect to the MySQL server. I KNOW the database is there, because I created it. All the permissions on the directories and files are exactly as it calls for in the install docs. I am using nukesql.php to help with the install. Any db gurus know about phpnuke installs? Would appreciate it. Kurt ---------------------------------------------- Si hoc legere scis, nimis eruditionis habes. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.853 / Virus Database: 581 - Release Date: 2/1/2005

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RE: Old Hardware
by Brian Densmore 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Lamar > > I've gotten the generic VGA x-server driver to work > in 640x480, but with only 2 colors. I was looking for > 256 colors like I get with Windows 3.1. The card is a > Video7 1024i with 512 KB of memory. I think the > chipset is slightly too old to work with the Video7 driver > that is available. Chipsets supported by the Video7 driver (notice the first entry, so and Video7 card should work with this driver, but your card is also specifically mentioned, so it should work). /* Video7 */ { "Video7 (chipset unknown)", "Video7 FastWrite/VRAM (HT208)", "Video7 1024i (HT208A)", "Video7 VRAM II (HT208B)", "Video7 VRAM II (HT208C,D)", "Video7 HT216B,C", "Video7 HT216D", "Video7 HT216E", "Video7 HT216E", "Video7 VEGA" },

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RE: Old Hardware
by Brian Densmore 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

Which vga server was that? vga16 or svga? Try using the svga server. Who makes the Video7 card? Or, is that, the maker's name? Did you try the Video7 server that is available? The man page for the Video7 server should tell you if it supports your card or not. > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Lamar > > I've gotten the generic VGA x-server driver to work > in 640x480, but with only 2 colors. I was looking for > 256 colors like I get with Windows 3.1. The card is a > Video7 1024i with 512 KB of memory. I think the > chipset is slightly too old to work with the Video7 driver > that is available. > > I like that computer because it is the last generation of > hardware that I can get a basic grasp of. > > >

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Re: Old Hardware
by Brian Kelsay 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

As always, it depends on how fast you want it and what you want to do w/ it. I continue to stand behind Mepis (SimplyMepis) for a general desktop distro that you can try out as a LiveCD first. Under the hood it is Debian, so adding software and updating will be fast and easy. It will work fine in 128MB of Ram. If you want it to be a server too, you can apt-get what you specifically need or go ProMepis when it comes out. I use Libranet on my server which is also Debian based. Are you really looking for something compiled -O3 for your CPU? If you really want Gentoo, use the installer that has some stuff pre-compiled for your arch. I think it is a stage 2 or 3 install. Good luck with that, not for me. I do wish that Debian had an i586 and/or i686 repository. I wish I knew how much improvement one could expect from this. You might want to try Arch Linux. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=arch Arch Linux is an i686-optimized Linux distribution. It is lightweight and contains the latest stable versions of software. I haven't used it, but it seems to combine some pluses that Slackware and Gentoo users tout with an update system similar to Debian. YMMV Whatever desktop distro you choose, you will see a large speed improvement by using a less resource hungry window manager (i.e. not Gnome or KDE). Try IceWM, Fluxbox, etc. Brian Kelsay

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RE: Old Hardware
by Brian Densmore 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

Look for a vga_v7 or vga_v71024i driver. There should be one and it should support your card. > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Lamar > > I've gotten the generic VGA x-server driver to work > in 640x480, but with only 2 colors. I was looking for > 256 colors like I get with Windows 3.1. The card is a > Video7 1024i with 512 KB of memory. I think the > chipset is slightly too old to work with the Video7 driver > that is available. > > I like that computer because it is the last generation of > hardware that I can get a basic grasp of. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Justin Lamar > > > > ... > > > > For kicks I installed Slackware 8.0 in my old 25 MHz 386 > with 8 MB of > > RAM. The Slackware is installed on a 6 GB drive. No X, the > > VGA video is > > vintage 1989 and I can't find an X-server that supports the > > chipset. > > Have you tried using the generic VGA driver? That should > always work on > any compliant VGA card. > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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RE: Old Hardware
by Brian Kelsay 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

Or you could get the kdrive x-server drivers. They use those in DamnSmall Linux, but DamnSmall won't work on less than a 486. http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html http://www.rule-project.org/en/sw/kdrive.php http://freedesktop.org/Software/xserver http://www.gentoo-portage.com/x11-base/kdrive http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive/ for pre-compiled Deb, rpm and tar.gz. Brian Kelsay >>> "Brian Densmore" <> 02/04/05 08:57AM >>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Lamar > > ... > > For kicks I installed Slackware 8.0 in my old 25 MHz 386 with 8 MB of > RAM. The Slackware is installed on a 6 GB drive. No X, the > VGA video is > vintage 1989 and I can't find an X-server that supports the > chipset. Have you tried using the generic VGA driver? That should always work on any compliant VGA card.

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RE: Old Hardware
by Brian Densmore 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: Justin Lamar > > ... > > For kicks I installed Slackware 8.0 in my old 25 MHz 386 with 8 MB of > RAM. The Slackware is installed on a 6 GB drive. No X, the > VGA video is > vintage 1989 and I can't find an X-server that supports the > chipset. Have you tried using the generic VGA driver? That should always work on any compliant VGA card.

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