KCLUG January 2007

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RE: from the libertarian newspaper
by Jared 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

> Well, I wouldn't come to your dinner party, because if your cooking > reflected your understanding of politics, the apple pie would have meat > in it and the steak would be a combination of lentils and dandelion greens. We're drifting off topic, so be kind. The reason to be nice in conversation about politics is this: If you are not nice, the other guy wins. Your audience is not the other guy, but those who overhear the conversation. Your politics ought to reveal that you are a gentleman. I like Jeremy's argument quite well, and find it to be more lucid and mature than yours. I'll be bringing bread to dinner. Homemade. Kneaded it myself. Do not be angry at the Libertarians. Do not be angry at the Socialists. Do not be angry at the Anarchists. Do not be angry at the Republicans or the Democrats. Do not be angry at Microsoft or Linux, Buddha or Christ. But be fanatically angry at the ones who keep secrets, whose strategy is to pit us against each other while they reap profit from the wars. John 18:20: "In secret have I said nothing." -Jared

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Remove me
by Apollo7771＠comcast.net 19 Jan '07

19 Jan '07

Please remove APOLLO7771(a)COMCAST.NET from this mailing list. Thanks.

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SANS Training at KU
by Dave Hull 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Apologies in advance if this seems spammy, but I wanted to remind potentially interested folks. And no, I don't get anything out of this. ----------------------------- The University of Kansas and SANS are pleased to offer the extremely popular six-day certification course, "Hacker Techniques, Exploits & Incident Handling." (SANS course description: http://www.sans.org/training/description.php?tid=243) This training course is open to anyone. Special discounts are available for employees K-12 and college, members of law enforcement, and state employees. There is also an opportunity for vendors to participate as sponsors in a Vendor Expo during the opening evening. SECURITY 504: Hacker Techniques, Exploits & Incident Handling April 22 – 28, 2007 9am – 6pm, Mon-Sat. (with a "Capture the Flag" session on Saturday) Holiday Inn Holidome, Lawrence, KS REGISTRATION: Course fees for employees of an accredited educational institution, members of law enforcement or state employees: $895 – Early Registration (by January 19, 2007) $995 – Late Registration (after January 19, 2007) Course fees for non-education/non-law enforcement attendees: $3,250 – Must register by March 1, 2007 The registration fee includes: * Course Registration * Manuals * Daily Refreshment Breaks * Daily Lunches * Reception Dinner, April 22, 2007 During the week of class, you may also register to seek your GCIH Certification for an additional fee of $300. To register or for more information, please go to: http://www.continuinged.ku.edu/programs/security/ VENDORS/SPONSORS: A vendor expo will be held the first evening, Sunday, April 22. Information can be found at: http://www.continuinged.ku.edu/programs/security/exhibitors.pdf ------------------------------------------------------- Now back to your regularly scheduled LUGging. -- Dave Hull

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RE: Remove me
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 18 Jan '07

18 Jan '07

Two posts enter, one post leaves. _____ From: Monty J. Harder Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 9:16 AM "Welcome to the LUG List California..." On 1/17/07, Luke -Jr wrote: On Wednesday 17 January 2007 10:58, Apollo7771(a)comcast.net wrote: > Please remove APOLLO7771(a)COMCAST.NET from this mailing list. Thanks. No. You cannot leave! :p

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weather and meeting?
by Oren Beck 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Is there a meeting tonight?

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RE: This needs to become more widely shared-Linux migration information.
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

This would have been an excellent time to LINK to the wiki. ;-) Last I checked, I couldn't edit anything on the wiki and neither could several others. It also could stand to be linked from the kclug.org homepage. >-----Original Message----- >From: Christopher A. Bier >Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:46 AM > > >> On Monday 15 January 2007 18:00, Arthur Pemberton wrote: >>> On 1/15/07, Oren Beck <orenbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Someone is working on a table of Linux replacements for windows >>> software. >>> > http://foolks.blogspot.com/2007/01/tables-of-equivalents.html >> >>> I seem to remember seeing such tables before. This one could have a >>> much easier to read layout IMHO, and I can already see missing apps. >> >> Re-write it, fill in the blanks you know, post it to the LUG site. > >This would be a good application for the wiki.

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RE: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

With Firefox pop-up blocking you can allow certain websites to pop-up. Same with the adblocker and flashblocker. But the user gets to decide which ones he wants to see. _____ From: Don Ellis Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:52 AM --Don Ellis (trying a new mail client) [PS - of course turning on popup blocking in the web browser is almost always helpful (except when necessary to run a web application)] On Jan 16, 2007, at 8:20 AM, Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO wrote: All the more important that you use Firefox with adblock and flashblock or at the very least, run a pop-up blocking software and have adware/spyware removal tools available.

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RE: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

All the more important that you use Firefox with adblock and flashblock or at the very least, run a pop-up blocking software and have adware/spyware removal tools available. _____ From: Oren Beck Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:59 PM To: KCLUG (E-mail) Subject: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense? http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS0 1/701060312/1002/NEWS17 Forgive the long link- but this is NOT a story that should go by uncommented. For if we do so, the "Who's next?" may be any innocent caught unaware. Read the story and be very afraid..

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This needs to become more widely shared-Linux migration information.
by Oren Beck 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

This was referenced in several blogs.. Someone is working on a table of Linux replacements for windows software. http://foolks.blogspot.com/2007/01/tables-of-equivalents.html I cannot comment on it's overall sanity check potential. But it's the BEST attempt so far at doing what it does: "The reports calling Vista a suicide pact seem understated to me"

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RE: Could this have been prevented with Linux? OR common sense?
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

(long rant) You're right Jim. Every business and gov't. network should have a proxy, a firewall, filtering software, and an AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) signed and in place or a combination of those. Otherwise they can be held liable in at least a civil suit for failure to perform due diligence to block offensive content. Most of the IT guys I've come across from schools have this stuff in place and it is so tight you can't get webmail or do research on breast cancer. That said, I think any user of the Internet is personally responsible for what they look up. It is fair to assume that most everyone is aware that there is porn on the internet and that you must be careful. We don't know all the facts in the case, so it is very likely that the substitute was a newish Internet user and was not necessarily surfing porn in a class. How dumb would that be? She probably panicked when the pop-ups appeared and asked the students for help. Then several more get up and there is your ten students. An experienced investigator, like on of us may be able to find that one of the students sabotaged her computer. What a cruel joke that she could be sentenced for up to 40 years for something so dumb, besides the fact that she will likely never teach again. Mandatory sentencing in some cases may be equated to Zero Tolerance policies that you may run into. Either the judge has no flexibility to be lenient or some wily prosecutor out to make a name for himself goes for the max. In any case, I'd assume that the judge, jury, prosecution, defense are not fully educated on internet technology and how these things can happen. >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Herrmann >Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 11:33 PM > >Wouldn't even need Linux. Firefox alone probably would have >prevented. >Wouldn't the IT guy who set up the firewall that didn't block >these sites be as liable as this woman. It's definitely a >bullshit conviction. > >My $.02, >Jim >

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